Comments for Moving forward... at http://www.18to88.com , comment 1 to 74 out of 20 comments http://www.18to88.com Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:47:41 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8368 photo wouldn't link, oh well. - bubbadeez Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:37:56 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8367 I hope you do feel good about the loss. I danced and celebrated when 18-1* happened. I celebrated when 'The Warrior' got carried off the field in tears. If you wouldn't celebrate this loss, then you are a fair-weather fan. I know you are not. I still stand by what you did a couple of days ago was something a cowardly 12 year old does. It is not your norm, but it is still shitty. Don't like it? I don't care. Enjoy your shit ass team. I don't know what I would do if I didn't have 2 football teams to root for almost every week. The Colts and whoever plays the Patriots. Isn't this 'The Warrior' on the left side of this photo? [img]http://www.ihatetombrady.com/images/village people.jpg[/img] Either way, I don't give a damn about him, you, or the rest of the Patriots. I hope for a plane-crash every time they have an away game. Pretty macho of you to call someone a punk on the internet. Especially someone who holds a knife to a kid's neck. By your own admission. Shame your daddy got you off of that one, maybe you would have been someone's punk in an 8'X4' cell. Then you could have more in common with your 'Broke-Back-Warrior-QB.' Either way, go fuck yourself. - bubbadeez Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:37:20 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8362 more depressing than this loss....... the fact that I found out the NFL is standardizing the Super Bowl logo (http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4886793), so that only the numerals, and the stadium backdrop change every year. Also, they are changing the Title Game trophies to some silver ball shaped deal. Sure, the NFL Cartel has to now make all the logos look alike, god forbid there is any sort of vibrance in the league (although I must say, logos have sucked in recent years). - dmstorm22 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:29:50 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8361 revel in it. This is probably more hapiness than the Pats will give you next year. I have to say, though, I'm already over it, to the most part. I actually felt worse and more despondent after the 2003 Title Game. This, though, was far worse than the 2004 Divisional, and both SD losses, but nothing close to the Steelers loss. That haunted me until the AFC Title Game win the next year. - dmstorm22 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:24:58 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8360 Diogenes: Was May of 2008 4 years and 9 months ago? Celtics/Lakers? Who you callin whacko fuck face?? Hey Bubba, you whiney punk......http://bleacherreport.com/articles/342670-mannings-legacy-two-schools-of-thought There's another link for you. I mean, seeing as how this blog's left margin is composed of other people's words, I assume you'll keep your mouth shut this time. If not - I'll spar with you some more. Colts losing in the Superbowl is a celebratory occasion where I'm from, so I'm feelin good. - J.C. Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:18:06 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8359 Storm: Nobody has gotten over it, it haunts us all. It will forever. When you guys rejoiced in our despair, I ached for the day that I'd feel some retribution. It finally came. I like the article in the Star yesterday about the ELEVEN fans that greeted players on the tarmac yesterday. I mean......that's some sad shit. Fantastic. Meanwhile, Demond - my primary tormentor for a good 18 months - is still off the grid like Tiger Woods. That's some pussy ass shit. - J.C. Tue, 09 Feb 2010 13:13:38 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8358 I'm with you -- I still feel like I was on the short end of a break up. Can't listen to the radio for fear of songs (or talking heads) that remind me of [i]her[/i] (or the loss). - m@chu Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:50:56 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8356 I've lived in Massachusetts and Connecticut and have witnessed first hand Boston football and baseball fans before the Red Sox and Patriots won Most appeared to have strong masochistic tendencies. Only a person from Boston could think of a concept such as "Harvard beats Yale 29-29" or Red Sox defeat Cincinnati three games to four. Then the Red Sox end the totally imaginary curse of Babe Ruth and actually win a World Series after 86 years. Similarly, the Patriots, destroyed in the most one-sided rout in SB history (by the Bears) finally win a championship, their first in what, 41 years, and two more in the next three years. This resulted in massive cognitive dissonance for the Sox and Patriots fans. And now, since Boston hasn't won a championship in any professional major league sport in like four years and nine months, they are totally, I think the clinical term is, whacko. They never really get over anything.... - diogenes Tue, 09 Feb 2010 11:10:15 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8335 I can't imagine how Pats fans ever got over SB XLII. It's been two days and I'm still replaying the drop and the onside kick in my head. I can't imagine losing a SB like that, or like the Titans did in '99. I'll just be thankful my team wasn't that close. - dmstorm22 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:53:11 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8315 I do know the history, I have been coming to this site for a while, under the name Derek, that got taken away from me when Bloguin changed the layout of the site, and I just stuck with my usuername after that. I have been coming to the site since the Colts won the Superbowl (because I didn't know about this site until then) and was googling Peyton Manning, to find out how many columnists actually manned up and ate their words. That being said, what you posted earlier struck me as sheepish and low. I had been getting back-handed sympathy about the game, at work by fair-weather Saints fans, that don't know shit about football, and after 5 hours it just struck me as cowardly and felt like the proverbial last straw when I checked the site on my lunch break. I don't really have a problem with JC, or him coming to the site and 'representing' his shit ass team. It was only the way you stood next to the post, and pointed your finger at it, like a snot-nosed punk pre-teenager does, when he is standing next to his dad, or a cop, or a teacher, or whatever....You get the point I am sure. 2 Point Conversion: I don't know why they even needed to challenge in the first place. I was dumbfounded when they actually said no good, and had to challenge to get it. That was bullshit, and the refs sucked both ways, all night. Refs sucking: Freeney and Mathis were blatantly held at least twice each, and the refs are fucking crap for it. Let's pretend the media fiasco didn't play into it, and the refs actually just ignored it. I think they are fucking fans watching the game sometimes. The SCRUM! was a crock of shit too. 3 times a saint was pulled out of the pile by a colt or a ref and they ran back in. I didn't see the colts doing that (of course i look at it through horse-shoe glasses) but i did see them throwing punches, AFTER getting shoved in the back by the guys that pulled them off. Then a bunch shit happens, to include saint and colts punching each other in front of the ref, hitting the ref to try to get back into the guy he was hitting (#28 of the Saints) dragging a colt out of the pile by his face-mask, twice (#27 and #54 of the saints) and taunting not only right in front of the ref, but with one hand on the ref's back (#31 of the saints) A whole lot of flags should have been thrown, against both teams, on both sides of the ball, definitely including special teams. For years, the officiating in the NFL has gotten worse, and worse, and worse. Every year, they lower the bar, whether it is the tuck rule, or just not calling a rule that has been around for 25 years. And for the record, that was the incorrect application of the tuck rule, and that is why it was shitty. His arm was not going forward in a passing motion, it was going forward in a "OMFGBBQSAUCE-I-GONE-GIT-SAXORED!!" motion. But don't get me wrong, I don't blame the refs for this loss at all. I blame the coach, the poor decisions, and the utter lack of effort that some guys were giving. The receivers, including 87, should have played better... like catching the ball, or at least trying to put your body up for the catch, and not letting DBs jump your routes. 2003AFCCG should have taught every Colt one thing. Even if you think a flag is gonna be thrown, get the damn ball anyway, because refs are unreliable at best. All 3 main receivers let me down in one way or another. I don't expect them to be perfect, but I expect effort (Collie and Wayne, go get the ball damnit!), and I expect that if the ball hits your hands, you catch it (Frenchie!!!) No, we plain old lost that game. We lost it so well, that it took a failing in coaching, special-teams, defense, and offense. And we still had a chance. We had more yards, yards passing, yards rushing, first downs, and a lack of TOP by 30 seconds. We gave the game away a number of times, and that is what hurts. The Saints didn't come out and whoop our asses, like they probably could have, but we straight up fucked ourselves in the ass, repeatedly, in almost every way that you can. That is why i am pissed. That is why I am disappointed. That is why shit will get under my skin for a while, much quicker than normal. - bubbadeez Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:25:37 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8313 Sorry about my typo. "Otcome" should read outcome. Like Peyton Manning, nobody is perfect. Except the Patriots' coach. He never makes any mistakes. That's why, for example, in their last four drafts the Patriots have gleaned one kicker and one position player starter. The Patriots have not only the greatest owner in sports history, but the greatest coach, the greatest quarterback, the greatest fans and they used to have the greatest field goal kicker--until he left the Patriots. I'm shocked that their fans only modestly assert that their team is the "Team of the Decade", when clearly they must be the greatest NFL team of all time. - diogenes Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:31:17 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8312 Amen to what Dr. Ben wrote. There's no consistency which I can detect in how NFL games are officiated. I was watching the Super Bowl in a sports bar and said to a stranger before the game that one of the early keys to the otcome would be how tight or how loosely the refs called the game. I asserted that if holding, pass interference and personal fouls were called loosely, it would strongly favor the Saints. If tightly, then the Colts would benefit. This is not to say, like the childish posters often do, that I'm blaming the loss on the officials. But during the "scrum" that developed after the on-side kickoff, at least one COLT player threw a punch, as did others, and for that infraction of the rules any player is supposed to be automatically ejected. That didn't happen. The officials refrained from calling obvious offensive holding, and at least one clear pass interference, etc. Or as Peter King wrote, the officials essentially let the players play and were not intrusive. The NFL is the hardest game to officiate. Since the officials can have an impact on such a large percentage of a team's total scoring, it is imperative that the officiating be as good as possible. Yet the rich and enormously successful NFL continues to refuse to pay for young, physically fit, full-time professional referees. I find that to be disgraceful and indefensible, and a perennial insult to all the fans of every team. - diogenes Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:00:48 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8309 I didn't see your first post man, my bad. I guess the brothers didn't win the lottery for season ticket holders, so they weren't here in SOFLO. I woulda loved to have met them, but when the Patriots go to the Bowl in INDY I'll be sure to make the trip. In all seriousness, after I took my shots at you guys and acted petty and childishly (as was my right to do given the abuse and taunts I endured at the hands of DZ and DS for just about the entirety of elapsed timed between our Epic Superbowl Collapse and yours), I have this to say: You'll be back. It wouldn't shock me if you guys start 12-0 AGAIN. You're deep, talented, relatively young, well coached and draft excellently. We, on the other hand, are fucked. For another year at least. I'll conclude with this. Like all Patriot fans, or (and there was a LOT of this on South Florida radio today) people who resented the media prematurely crowning him the "Greatest Ever" - we loved to see him throw a pick-six to ice the game on the biggest stage. We don't like him, his brother, his smirk, his commercials, or losing to him which happens a bit too much. Just as you all love to see Tom Brady fail, we rejoice when Peyton Manning fails as well. Of course you always say 'It's not his fault, it's a team sport' and you're absolutely correct. Last night was NOT his fault. I thought he was brilliant, especially that rolling right touch pass to Dallas Clark. Nobody in the history of FOOTBALL can make that throw. He can, and makes them regularly. Yea he got hurt by a TERRIBLE drop early that could have put the Colts in a commanding position. Yea your special teams suck, completely. Yea you got outcoached. It happens. But for the record, I will NEVER allow someone to say that the game was 'pretty much over' before the pick-six or anything to that effect. I read that last night and it's fucking bullshit and you all know it. That's where he's SUPPOSED to go win it. Not give them a score and get mauled at the end of it in humiliating fashion. Here's what it all comes down to now after that LOSS with respect to team of the decade. I'm certainly not going to comment on Peyton Manning's legacy because his career is nowhere near over, he's the past passer I've EVER seen, and he plays for an organization that will always keep him competitive. In my worthless opinion, the Colts are the third best team of the decade behind us and Pitt. The Patriots (and I think we'd all concede they woulda beat the Bears that year) were two plays - Caldwells drop and Tyree's magic - from winning five championships in seven years, a 19-0 immortal season, Tom Brady cementing his legacy as the best ever (FIVE RINGS, 50 SCORES, 19-0) and the hate for our team growing exponentially, if that's possible. TWO PLAYS!! Just goes to show anything can happen on Any Given Sunday. As it stands now, Peyton is still #2. 9-9 in the post season sucks, and DZ can take his passer rating stats and stuff it up his brother's ass, if Demond would come out of hiding. For those of you who just started reading 18to88, the only reason I came here in the first place was becase CHFF linked to 88 Reasons to Hate the Pats in 2007, I responded, they responded back, and it's been Hatfield v McCoy ever since with me being whichever family won. After the Patriots lost the 19-0 game to the Giants, I showed up to 'take my medicine' like a man, for which Nate Dunlevy (who I consider a friend although I've never spoken to him or seen him in person) has shown me major respect, which, despite my profane rants and shit talking, has been reicprocated big time. His brother however, reiterated for months how he was going to go 'Watch the Superbowl again on DVR' just to rub it in my fucking face. That's why Bubba Deez needs to step the fuck off when I play back at them because he doesn't know the history. And I say that with an element of jest man. Don't take it personally. You guys celebrated when we lsot the 19-0 game. I celebrated last night. That's The Rivalry. - J.C. Mon, 08 Feb 2010 21:21:06 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8305 Possession, re-established possession...on and on. The NFLs ridiculousness in making rules clear and consistently enforced (much less available to begin with) makes it a moot point, really. Even if we had access to the actual top-secret book of rules it would be enforced and justified differently at different times. I've felt like the rules are a lot like the US tax code: very much in need of simplification. - Dr. Ben Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:19:48 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8304 Purdue's kicker comes to mind as a good one to get, he has the strongest leg I have ever seen. Unfortunatly, he is a Junior and not coming out early...Texas has a hell of a kicker, not sure what his name is, but he hit that big one from around 50 yards to beat Nebraska...so he has a big game winning kick to his credit...We need to use a 3rd or 4th round pick to get the best kicker in the draft and square this problem away for good...I think UCLA has a bad ass kicker that will be in this draft too - GuruBlue Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:32:12 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8297 The way I understood the week one ruling was that if you were contacted and going to the ground, you have to mantain possession all the way through. - dmstorm22 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:55:00 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8294 A split second is all that's necessary, per my understanding of the rule. Unless he's touched down, at which point the 'control it to the ground' rule comes in. - J.C. Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:37:21 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8293 but the question is what constitutes 'reestablished possession'. We can agree he didn't have it before the first bobble. Then he appears to have it for a split second before it is kicked away. The official was right on top of it, but in slow mo, it appears he had it for longer than he really did. - DZ Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:33:56 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8292 DZ: I think the deciding factors in the 2PT was that he was never touched down, or rolled out of bounds. The ball never touched the ground either. Therefore........he was just live..... a la Marvin v Denver in 2004. By the time the DB kicked the ball, he had regained possession, clearly broken the plane, was not out of bounds, and had not been touched down. Is your brother OK? Nary a peep. - J.C. Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:28:22 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2010-archives/february/moving-forward.html#comment-8291 This is the first time JC has ever copy-pasted. He usually brings it. I totally agree with you, JC. By the rules established back in Week 1 with the Louis Murphy TD, that should NOT have been a 2-point conversion, but my eyes told me it was. The biggest problem I had with the game was the white-flag waved when we took over at the 1 after the stop on 4th and 1. We were jacked up, and the Saints looked dead, after missing their "man-up" power run. We should have taken advantage of that, made it like 13-3, and then gotten the ball. Even if they do the onside kick (which they might not do down two scores, as the risk of not recovering is then greater), we are up. That was where it was lost. - dmstorm22 Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:09:24 +0100