Comments for To be clear at http://www.18to88.com , comment 1 to 18 out of 18 comments http://www.18to88.com Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:24:56 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2630 It's not true that Bob never plays. He's played in the playoffs every year. He played and made a big contribution in a game this year year. If you ask a GM before the season: would you pay 500K in cap space for a player to play one game in which he contributes to two turnovers in a game you barely win. If you knew that was all the production you'd get, would you do it? EVERY GM would immediately sign that player. Bob has had 3 good years. He made the Pro Bowl in 2005. In 2006, he came back from injury to play NE in the regular season had 11 tackles and a pick and then later he carried the team to the Super Bowl with brilliant play throughout the playoffs. Do you remember his pick against KC? Or his knock down of the key 3rd and 4 against NE with 2:30 to play? Or his forced fumble and pick in the Super Bowl? In 2007 he was the Defensive player of the year. He's had a lot more than "one good year". It's like you've had a memory wipe or something. Beyond even that, do you understand the cap at all? First of all, it probably won't even exist next year, meaning there is no reason to cut anyone. The Colts have NEVER come within 500K of going over the cap. 500K will do NOTHING to help sign Bethea. It's chump change. Right now, the Colts are $3 million under the cap. That's basically normal. They couldn't use 500K to sign any veteran player. Bob Sanders doesn't have to be the best safety in the league. He only has to be worth $500K. As for the $2 million real dollars he'll make, what do you care? That's Jim Irsay's money. It doesn't "help" do anything. "Saving" it means it just goes into Irsay's pocket. It doesn't help the team at all because of the way the cap works. - DZ Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:16:02 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2628 Yes I read what you wrote and we would save money if what you wrote is correct. You said 500K in cap space and 2 million real dollars. That 500k could go towards keeping Bethea. What upside is there about a guy who never plays? We all know that he is your favorite player on the team but him being your favorite player doesn't mean that he is the best or that he is worth every penny. You keep saying its about the math so Bob is worth 2 million dollars even though he can't be trusted to play? Seems your math is a little off. Its about a team investment and keeping him would be a horrible investment. What has he proven in his time here? That he can get hurt is all that I have seem him show. Ok he had one good year but does that make him the best safety in the league? There a plenty of players that have one good year and thats it and Bob is one of them. Would you put a lot of your own money into a car that had one good year but has been in the shop 50% of the year every year since? Bob is like a sheet of glass the more it breaks and you try to put it back together the weaker its going to be. So you can spout off all of your salary cap and math stuff all you want. Bob is horrible and horrible for the team. There are players that we have lost in the past because of the salary cap and yet we keep a guy that can't stay on the field. Don't ever try to make a career in investment banking because you would go bankrupt. - TNCOLTSFAN Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:06:26 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2625 Did you even read what I wrote? We don't really save any money by cutting Bob. Cutting Bob Sanders doesn't help us keep Bethea. He made plays in both turnovers in the 49ers game. He is makes big plays when he's healthy. This isn't about what's fair. It's not about what anyone deserves. It's about the math. Bob Sanders is cheap to keep. He's worth the minimal investment for the major upside. He works crazy hard all the time. He's a good influence on the team. Should Indy have resigned him? It certainly hasn't worked out, but that's not relevant to the debate. The only question is if he's worth 2.2 million and 500K in cap room going forward. The answer to the question is clearly yes, and every team in the NFL would agree. - DZ Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:44:23 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2623 Mike Ditka said it best before the game sunday. Bob isn't the same player he was when he won DPOY. Bob is a small player playing like a small player is what Ditka said and I totally agree. The two games he played this year his only bright spot was the interception that he was actually lucky to get because of the tip. I believe that he has been hurt so much that he actually fears getting hurt even more and ending his career. Bullit is by far a better safety than Sanders right now and is playing at a level similar to Bob during his glory days. Not only is Bob wasting money he also is wasting a roster spot that can be given to someone that actually would play and deserves to play. When Bob is in the game its like the rest of the team counts on him to do everything and they forget how to tackle. Now don't get me wrong I have enjoyed having the type of presence that Bob brings on our team but his days are numbered and its probably best that we let him go now. The money that we would save on Bob if we cut him to go towards keeping Bethea here. Bethea is a great player and losing him would hurt a hell of a lot more than losing someone that doesn't ever play. Do you think its fair this guy is making millions to do absolutely nothing? - TNCOLTSFAN Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:12:14 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2536 I agree with you completely DZ. It seems like KR and BBS have some kind of personal vendetta against Bob because he doesn't live up to their personal standards of "toughness." He is a cheap player who is a beast when he plays. Based on the cap numbers, cutting him would be insane! - jaredtaskin Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:46:22 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2535 The last time I checked, Bob Sanders is not a baseball pitcher. He is an NFL safety. His main asset is his wheels. Tearing a tendon in his elbow is just bad luck, but what does it have to do with his ability to recover and play next year? Even Phil B. is jumping on this "don't be surprised if the Colts part ways with Sanders" bandwagon. I just don't get why people want to make this decision now, when emotions are obviously still very raw. It's his friggin' elbow guys. It is not another knee injury or even his shoulder. If Bob shows up next training camp able and willing to play... then lock up the women and children. If he can't, then the Colts will evaluate at that time and make the prudent decision. Why is that so hard to understand? - Doug England Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:43:18 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2534 Bob was also involved in the 49ers other turnover. He got in on Crabtree behind the line, forcing him to swing the ball out away from his body. Three players then converged on him and he fumbled. Just for that one game and for his role in 2 turnovers, Bob Sanders was worth 500K in capspace. Now, that's not what he'll cost this year. You can argue his extension was a bad idea for sure. It's impossible to argue that he won't be worth 500K next year, unless he misses the entire season. As long as he isn't expected to miss the full year, he'll be kept. It's not about opinion. It's about math. - DZ Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:38:17 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2533 Don't assume that just because I disagree with you that I can't see things from your point of view. I understand your argument, but it's not a very strong one. It's has no merit, therefore I reject it. I understand it, but it's just not valid. You say Bob Sanders' presence isn't worth 500K in cap space. I say that's patently absurd and that you have a very short memory and are only capable of thinking about what happened this season. Go back through Bob's career and ask if he was worth 500K in cap space. The answer for EVERY YEAR, including this one when he picked off a ball last week is yes, he was worth 500K. - DZ Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:20:29 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2532 P.S. Addai still sucks at running the ball. - KingRichard Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:14:47 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2531 Don't play coy with me bud, especially when you throw out those snarky little comments. If you are going to make subtle jabs at someone at least have the balls to defend them next time. I won't hold my breath waiting for that to happen though because that's basically all you do is taking shots at someone and when they confront you about it you always play dumb, "Well I wasn't meaning to insult you blah blah blah." Yeah, right. As for Bob, I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you about why he should or shouldn't be with the Colts anymore because it's apparent that you can't see it from any other viewpoint. That's your problem, not mine. I could write a book expressing the "logic" behind my thinking but it would be pointless. You have your opinion, I have mine, and no matter what you say to trash my opinion or say to the contrary, you're not right because it's your OPINION, not fact. - KingRichard Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:12:38 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2530 By the way, for all his injuries, this is the first time Sanders will miss the playoffs. Every team in the league would pay 2.2 million real dollars, and 500K in cap space to have Bob Sanders just for the playoffs. It's just not that big an investment for what he potentially brings. There's no reason to assume he won't be able to play in the playoffs next year. This will be the first time he missed them. - DZ Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:13:13 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2529 How did I insult you? I said I don't respect your opinion. I don't. That's not an insult. I suppose saying that you have a short memory could be construed as one, but it's not very strong an insult if it is. My opinions aren't fact, but the fact that the salary cap savings are so slight so as to make cutting Sanders irrelevant is indisputable. I don't understand why you are so mad that Bob is hurt. He's been hurt from day one of his NFL career. The Colts drafted him KNOWING he was hurt a lot. They signed him to a new deal KNOWING he was hurt a lot. Polian has said it before, he knew what he was getting into with Sanders, and determined it was worth it for a modest investment to keep him. Why do you act like the fact that he's hurt is some kind of crisis, and the team must respond by cutting him? He has a manageable contract. He's worth the risk. This is a guy who is incredible when he's healthy. It costs very little in terms of real money or cap space to keep him. You think they really need the roster spot so they can keep Josh Thomas around? Is it a gamble? Sure, but it's a small gamble. The Colts can't sign ANYONE, not one veteran player, with the cap space they'd save by cutting him. Your opinion has no merit. It doesn't matter if he's hurt. It doesn't hurt the team to keep him, and it might help them. The numbers make it clear. Just because you are mad that a guy got hurt giving his all doesn't mean the team should do something stupid like cut a potential asset without gaining anything from it. If Bob can't play at all next year, then they'll cut him. Otherwise, there's no upside to it. It doesn't help the team at all to let him go. Your emotion is clouding your reason. That's why I don't respect your opinion. It's based on you being mad, rather than any kind of logic. I don't treat all opinions as valid here. They aren't. Some are well thought out and reasonable. I listen to those even when I disagree. Others are just based on bad assumptions, emotion, or faulty data. I don't respect those. I never will. - DZ Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:56:36 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2528 Way to be an dick for no reason. Can't you argue with someone without resorting to insults and trying to demean people? Apparently not huh? I don't know what your problem is bud, but just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean you need to be disrespectful to them. Did I say anything inflammatory towards you or your opinions? No. Are your opinions fact? No. So get over yourself. For someone who claims I have a bad memory, do you not recall what just happened just this season? Bob had surgery, again. We had to wait forever for him to return, again. He comes back and participates, not plays, participates in two games, AND IS ON IR BECAUSE HE NEEDS SURGERY AGAIN. The guy CANNOT stay healthy. Do you understand this? HE HAS A PROVEN HISTORY OF NOT BEING ABLE TO STAY HEALTHY AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE. PLAYERS ARE OF NO WORTH IT THEY CAN'T FREAKIN PLAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHY THEY ARE CALLED PLAYERS. THEY AREN'T PLAYERS IF THEY CAN'T PLAY. Do you get it now? - KingRichard Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:34:58 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2527 And that's why I have so little respect for your opinions, KR. You don't know Sanders 'can't play' next year. If he truly can't play, they will cut him. But if he can possibly play, they won't. Sanders is so cheap and so good that the possibility to have him for even a handful of games makes it worth while. Dealing with is lingering issues isn't "a burden" for the team. You people have the shortest possible memories. It's embarrassing. It's like you can't recall anything that happened more than five minutes ago. - DZ Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:58:48 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2526 @LukeM: Don't be stupid. Yes I'm sure getting hits on SB is probably a motivating factor in some of the stuff he says, but there's no way you, DZ, or anyone is going to convince BBS, let alone me, that keeping Bob Sanders on this team next year is even remotely a wise decision. The money, cap space, et al is what it is. The Colts are going to be paying for someone who can't play regardless of whether he's on the roster or not. Except if he isn't on the roster at least the Colts would be saving some money as opposed to none. And that's not even including the constant burden of having to deal with his lingering injuries on a weekly basis. - KingRichard Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:12:43 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2525 Florio Jr. over there doesn't care about the real value of Sanders or the cap value. He just wants hits for his website. - LukeM Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:34:25 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2522 Can anyone remember a single worse week for major injury news in the Colts history in Indy? I can't... - Bob in VA Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:10:29 +0100 http://www.18to88.com/2009-archives/november/to-be-clear.html#comment-2516 You are 100% correct. Bob is definately going to be here next year. I'd be concerned about the mental aspect of it. How much more of this will Bob put up with before he decides it is time to hang it up. - Dave_H Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:59:25 +0100